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Discussion: Is the Xinjiang that Chinese Han people understand the real Xinjiang?
Reporter: Mr. Ma and Jesse, thank you both for participating in this show.Could you please briefly introduce your relationship with Xinjiang?Jesse please.
Reporter: Are you a Han nationality?
Jessie: Yes, I am a Han Chinese.
Reporter: Where is Mr. Ma?
Ma Ju: I am a Hui nationality. I started in Xinjiang when I was two years old. I didn't leave that land until I was nine years old.
Reporter: After you left Xinjiang, what was the intersection with Xinjiang?
Ma Ju: After we returned to the mainland from Xinjiang, we were in Lanzhou.I participated in a summer survey on social equity in Xinjiang organized by professors from two universities in Lanzhou, and we also published a report.
Discussion: Why did the Xinjiang issue cause controversy in the "elite club"? (Chart by Radio Free Asia)
What is the biggest misunderstanding?
Reporter: Is this stigmatization carried out under a certain policy?
But in the mid to late XNUMXs, Deng Xiaoping and others realized that if this continues, it will cause problems for the stability of the border areas.Therefore, the process of stigmatizing the ethnic minorities striving for regional autonomy of ethnic minorities has begun.
Reporter: Mr. Ma Ju has some special research on Xinjiang issues. What is your feeling about this stigma?
However, the Trump administration removed this organization from the list of terrorist organizations before it stepped down. The reason is that the Chinese government has not produced credible empirical evidence for so many years to show that this organization is a terrorist organization.
Chinese riot police patrolling the streets of Urumqi, Xinjiang (AP)
What is the complete truth behind the rumors?
Jessie: First of all, I want to declare that I oppose all violent attacks on peaceful civilians.But, on the other hand, regarding these two incidents, all the information we have obtained from the official media so far is the situation of the XNUMXth Five-Year Plan and the Kunming Railway Station attack that the government itself said. As for the reasons behind them, they did not say anything. Over.
For example, the July XNUMXth Incident was caused by Xinjiang University students' support for Uyghur youths in factories in Shaoguan, Guangdong. After Uyghur youths in these factories had conflicts with the locals, some were killed.
But when people try to understand why there are hundreds of Uyghur youths who have to go to Shaoguan thousands of kilometers away to work as workers, and when they are being bullied, Xinjiang University students want to seek justice and petition for them. When the students took any compulsory measures and how to stimulate the outbreak of the July XNUMXth Incident, no one came to tell the truth.
Ma Ju: The Chinese government says that these workers are arranged to increase their income, but in fact there is a great paradox here.That is, is it because Xinjiang is so poor that it has no resources or has too much population, and on average it has become poor?neither.China's main sources of oil, natural gas and other resources are mainly supplied from Xinjiang.We know that there are oil fields in the Junggar Basin and the Turpan-Hami Basin. The large amount of resources extracted from these places every year will not help Xinjiang's local economy.
Once a scholar went to Xinjiang to do research, and returned to Lanzhou and told me that he did not expect that such a large Tuha oil field would make a pitiful contribution to the local finances. The local government's finances still need transfer payments from the Beijing government; The amount of oil and natural gas flowing out from there every year even exceeded the total amount of oil and gas produced in Qatar at that time.This is an incredible thing.
Just now you mentioned Mr. Zheng Guoen (also translated as Zeng Deen). The situation of forced labor he pointed out may be slightly different from the forced labor in Shaoguan before the July XNUMXth Incident mentioned by Mr. Jesse just now. This is the point to be distinguished.But the root of the two events is essentially the plundering of that piece of land, which made the people on that piece of land extremely poor or impoverished. The main reason was the Chinese government’s fiscal policy and the plundering of resources, instead of giving back to Uyghur and other ethnic minorities’ autonomy. The place.
Uyghurs praying in a mosque in Hotan, Xinjiang (AFP image)
What is the discount?
Reporter: There is a general understanding in the Han area that the Chinese government has invested heavily in Xinjiang and has given many preferential policies to local ethnic minorities. For example, many local ethnic minority students can go to schools in the Han area.Mr. Jesse, what do you think of the preferential policies of these ethnic minorities?Do they really benefit the Uighurs?
Jessie: One thing I want to say is that in ethnic autonomous areas, ethnic minorities can open their own schools in accordance with the Regional Ethnic Autonomy Law and use their own language for education and training.There is no need to send a large number of minority students to Han areas to go to school.
You will find that those students who are taken care of by the policy are those who gave up their native language education and took the Chinese test.Such people can be taken care of.If he is a student who is educated in his native language and his native educational method, he will not be taken care of.Therefore, these care policies are just gimmicks to assimilate your culture and words.
Reporter: The Xinjiang Construction Corps is an important existence. What kind of role does it play?Is it a manifestation of the Chinese government’s preferential policies for Xinjiang?
Reporter: Another important issue is the Belt and Road Initiative. How do ethnic minorities in Xinjiang view the impact of the Belt and Road Initiative on the local area?
Jessie: The Uighurs in the entire Xinjiang region have no interest in the Belt and Road Initiative.In these areas along the One Belt One Road, both factories and agriculture are basically monopolized by the local construction corps.It is difficult for organizations that truly belong to the local Uyghur Autonomous Region to participate in the construction and product export process of the Belt and Road Initiative.You will find that Xinjiang is actually a market that mainly exports raw materials to the mainland.
Reporter: The Chinese government has various unfair policies in Xinjiang. In this context, the relationship between the local ethnic minorities and the Han has always been tense, right?
Ma Ju: In our childhood memories, the relationship between ethnic groups is very harmonious and harmonious. There have been no incidents of ethnic exclusion or ethnic vendetta. These are non-existent.After we left there, this has not happened to the relatives and friends who still live there.
Nowadays, some people worry that if the Uyghurs stand up one day, will they retaliate against the Han or other ethnic minorities?At this point, I don’t know what the future holds, but we can see from history that the Uighurs have always been the most moderate ethnic group in Central Asia.I believe that the future ethnic issue will be a contradiction, but if it is led by the Uyghurs, I believe they will have a good way to deal with it.
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